1: Where were we?
0: You said:
> 1: This math stuff seems pretty imprecise.
0: Then I said:
> 0: It is. At least sometimes. But not in this case. In this case, it makes sense. It's all about names.
1: Names?
0: Names. That's why the cardinality of $\omega \cdot 2$ is the same as the cardinality of $\omega$. And "cardinality" is just a fancy word for "size." Because Georg's definition of "same size" is "If you change only the names, do they have the same number?"
1: What do you mean "If you change only the names?"
0: Well no matter what we believe about mathematics, like whether we believe that "infinite stuff exists" or whether we think that's all nonsense, one thing everyone can agree on is names aren't magic.
1: Obviously. I don't know what you mean, but I think I agree.
0: All I meant by magic is that the following situation would be completely unacceptable:
Suppose you have a set of stuff, like:
$0, \; 1, \dots, \; \omega, \; \omega+1, \; \dots$
Then suppose you just change the squiggles we use to write down the numbers without changing anything else about the set. For example, suppose you put hats on everything:
$\hat{0}, \; \hat{1}, \dots, \; \hat{\omega}, \; \hat{\omega}+\hat{1}, \; \dots$
0: Is that the same set?
1: I don't know. Maybe not. I could imagine the hat-numbers might be different objects.
0: Exactly. Now, do the two sets have _the same size_?
1: I don't know. I'm not convinced they do.
0: Explain?
1: Like maybe the hats weigh something. Maybe $\hat{1}$ means "The number $1